You dont “need” testosterone as a base in your cycle .. ah hang on a minute

You dont “need” testosterone as a base in your cycle .. ah hang on a minute

There are a lot of people walking around saying you don’t need to use Testosterone as a base, that you can substitute a number of Steriods

Ah hang on a minute

Logically, rationally if that where true, then why are none not one of these alternatives a ” recommended TRT therapy alternative” ?

I mean hell they are most certainly actively look for alternatives to T in TRT ! That is no secret

Almost every AAS has at some point been considered for an HRT application.. several were even tried for a while.. all eventually removed.. from the list of approved

Here is the primary reason why

In order to quality the drug must be ” sustainable for long term deployment “

HDL suppression and Liver Toxicity have always hindered Orals in this capacity

What might be tolerable for 10 weeks it not a solution for the next 10 years !


it must be able to maintain sexual function with a degree of efficacy at least approaching that of Testosterone

With T if you take a Rat and castrate that Rat and you add T – you see 100{2658607c068490114260e14c260e6ae174f4b10b752c604f4a58b348bf83bb16} full physical and sexual function return

T is the only drug that is true of in the regular crowd of AAS wheeled out in this discussion

yes there is a case to be made for Nandrolone in some men,

But there is the caveat ” some men” as you can see in intact Rats Nandrolone works fine

But its does not support Sexual Function in castrate Rats

The degree of T suppression in some Men can introduce sexual dysfunction issues, some of the time

Where T is 100{2658607c068490114260e14c260e6ae174f4b10b752c604f4a58b348bf83bb16}, 100{2658607c068490114260e14c260e6ae174f4b10b752c604f4a58b348bf83bb16} of the time here


If any of the AAS we use where actually ” easy substitutes” for T in HRT you don’t think they would be deployed in that capacity?

Sure you can use in some Men, sure you can use ” for short durations”

But if you are like me.. looking forward over the next 20 years.. there is only T as a replacement for T

Victor Black

Nitrogen Retension Study Anavar VS Test VS Nandrolone

There is no simple way to compare relative potencies of different testosterone analogs.

Personally I prefer to look at study data that we have in Human Cohorts that combines Progressive Resistance Training and Supra- Physiological Dosage of AAS and ask the question from a point of view of increases in LBM and Nitrogen Retention over multi week exposure time frames.

These studies are not ” perfect” oh I agree 100 percentĀ 

but IMO its a far far more practical way of exploring this domain that looking at 60 year old Rat Data that says Anavar is 3.2 x times more Anabolic than Testosterone.. or Tren is 5 times more Anabolic than Testosterone.

That idea simply does not reflect in real world outcomes..

Have you ever seen someone grow 3.2 x faster because they used Anavar rather than Testosterone as a Primary Growth Anchor ? I havent.

Or the Nandrolone only guys growing 25 percent faster than the rest of us ? Not a single example I can point to in 32 years..

Or the Trenbolone fans growing 5 x faster ? haha

I never have.. have you ?

Lets see what happens when you compare a few different options in actual Humans.. rather than Rat Muscles..

Guess what ? they are all about the same.. in a dose dependent manner..

Which is what we have known since the 1950s.. if you know where to look..

And if they are all “about the same”.. roughly.. what next ?

Victor BlackĀ