But you’re not a Dr !

But you’re not a Dr !

Oh I 100{2658607c068490114260e14c260e6ae174f4b10b752c604f4a58b348bf83bb16} agree I am NOT a Dr !

and I never claim to be one haha


IMO the best Dr’s practice what we call Evidence-Based Medicine

So what is that ?

Well its the blending of all they learned at Medical School

along with all they learned in the 10 – 20 – 30 years they have been practicing Medicine

Those 2 things are different BTW

Their understanding of the current body of literature on any subject – ie Peer Revied Research


” what the patient wants” – patient preferences

So when a General Practioner speaks about ” Sports Medicine”

He is speaking about one tiny sliver of the full spectrum of what he has to know about – everything from Blisters to Babies to Barbells

This is why they have ” Medical Specialists”

For they can focus their practice on just ” babies” for example

Now, what does an Evidence-based Trainer do ?

Honestly much the same, very much the same

NO, we don’t go to Medical School – 100{2658607c068490114260e14c260e6ae174f4b10b752c604f4a58b348bf83bb16} agree

So we draw on all we have learned in the 10 – 20 – 30 years we have been training ourselves

Their understanding of the current body of literature of any subject – ie Peer Revied Research


” what the client wants” – preferences

The most important point here for me is the

The literature I read is from exactly the same place as any Dr

PubMed® comprises more than 30 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books.

The National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information.

Takeway ?

Am I interested in what a Dr has to say about X in our World ?

Sure speak up, lets hear it

Does he have some special resource at his disposal that we cant access as laymen in 2019 ?

Perhaps his Resources Network, ok maybe you dont have that, yes I have one of those as well for things I dont understand but it took me a long time to develop agreed.

Does he spend 10 – 15 hours a week reading about Training and Nutrition and Enhancement?

haha ask any Dr and they will say no unless they are a specialist in this field and who is that ? Endocrinology is close but I know Endos that don’t understand PEDs or Training or Nutrition at all !

So why then does having a Medical Qualification override your own opinion?

You can and should educate yourself and that IMO starts with reading the very same materials that your Dr is going to read on this subject

Yes it can be hard to understand agreed.

Moving forward I will be trying my best to help simplify some of these discussions without going ” too far” into Bro Science ie just abandoning the evidence altogether.

But sure you’re right I am not a Dr

and your Dr is not me haha

Ask him his opinion absolutely! I more than encourage that

Why are Testosterone Proprionate Injections are so painful, even if done “correctly” ?

Why are Testosterone Proprionate Injections are so painful, even if done “correctly” ?

Tomorrow I launch the latest Victor Black Training Module

” Evidence-based recommendations for Intramuscular Injections ”

One of the chapters deals with the 5 factors that can cause pain at the point of IM Injection Administration

To minimize post-injection pain, several important factors need to first be considered

Needle length, gauge
Volume of injection
Injection site
Injection technique, including speed of injection
The chemical composition of the drug/solution being used
Massage and Manual Pressure

Let’s look at the Concentration of the “Active Hormone” part of point 4, the chemical composition of the drug/solution being used

so to answer the heading of this post…

Do you know why Testosterone Proprionate Injections are so painful, even if done “correctly” ?

If we look at the preparation of Testosterone Propionate by legitimate pharmaceutical companies, we see that the maximum concentration normally produced is 50mg/ml.

​The Testolic Product show below is 50mg/ml ( 100mg/ 2ml ) this is done for a reason !










AAS Hormones that are partnered with short esters – Acetate, Propionate etc have a much higher melting point that those that have with medium length esters – Enanthate, Cypionate, or longer Esters Decanoate, etc and thus are more difficult to make as concentrated.

Although Testosterone Propionate can easily be made at 100mg/ml without crashing out of solution, it does take ” more Solvent” to do so..

The consequence of that action is that once injected, the higher level solvents tend to leach out of the solution faster than we want, at least faster than the Carrier Oil can leave the site of administration.

and this means we are left with higher levels of oil and hormone in the muscle than ideal without the solvents required to suspend them and so some of the hormones crashes out of solution creating “crystals”

These are the same crystals you will see in a vial where the Hormone has come out of suspension – see image below. Note the Test Prop in the image was 200mg/ml – no wonder it crashed.

These crystals are what causes the pain.

Unfortunately for us the process will also involve inflammation of the area and the inflammation prolongs the entire process of ” recovery” this is why it can take several days to fully recover from a Test P shot that ” crashes on you”

What was the maximum concentration of Testosterone Proprionate typically produced by Licensed Pharmaceutical Companies?


And your Test Prop that is causing pain ?

100mg/ml, 200mg/ml ?

There is a “reason” that you will find much higher concentrations of Hormone per ml from UGLs than from Licensed Pharmaceutical Manufacturers.

This is it.

Takeaway ?

If once you have “mastered the art of administration” you are still experiencing Pain on admin, the only real factor left is to lower the concentration per mg

The maximum normal concentration that can be achieved before pain is experienced is what Pharmagrade Manufacturers supply

Victor Black